I clicked it, the crafty buggers :)

if you are that stupid to click the link then you shouldn't be on a computer.

>if you are that stupid to click the link then you shouldn't be on a computer.

Was that aimed at me saying I clicked it? If so I clicked it because I understand computers a bit and I wanted to see for myself if someone who isn't computer literate could deal with that popup.

If it wasn't aimed at me, have you never clicked a link, accidently or purposefully before? ;\

WinAntivirus isn't that hard to remove so I believe Chris will be alright.  Aside from that, I've believed from day one that something is not right with flyordie's server management and/or advertisements they seem to get shadier and shadier ads on this site especially in the games...and I also said from day one for them to look into it...spitting in the wind I know.

>WinAntivirus isn't that hard to remove so I believe Chris will be alright. 
Yeah it wasn't difficult at all :p but for someone who is unsure about pc's it would be a problem I'm sure (automatic download and installation and webpage refusing to close/navigate away)

I know what you mean Fear about this site, there seems to have been a dramatic increase in complaints lately especially about adverts... are they being let through unchecked? 

YOU DO NOT HAVE TO CLICK THE LINK WHEN YOU GO TO FLYORDIES WEB SITE THIS HAPPENS.AFTER YOU HAVE CLOSED THE WINDOWS ONCE .IT WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN UNTIL YOU DUMP YOUR CACHE.STILL A NEW LOW FOR FOD.THIS IS A RISKYBUSINESS

sorry for the caps -----ooops

Okay, I don't comment usually on the Ads as I am a subscriber but on Sunday as soon as I came on FOD 'ERRORSAFE' came up, I clicked cancel as I didn't want this installed on my PC, anti virus kicked in and warned for my PC to do a full system scan, an added unrecognised area was detected as being added to my PC. Took ages to remove it, then today I come on FOD and you have an AD down the left hand side of sign in panel for this product, once again before I could log in to stop all ads coming through the same thing happened as on Sunday. My subs run out in a few days and for the first time I am thinking maybe I will not sub again if this is what is going to happen. I can understand having ads that pop up once you enter a room to play but before you even sign in.... well thats another thing altogether.
I went on to the anti virus site I have and errorsafe is a medium risk. 
Come on FOD, I have supported this site with subs for a few years now for the privilage of no Ads but now it seems I can't sign in even without having problems.
Please can you help to sort this out.
Thanks
Cream rose

"take a screen shot (as you would if someone was misbehaving in a chat room and no mods were present)... but make sure your curser is over the ad, so the URL of the ad shows at the bottom of your screen (at least that's how it is in IE... not sure about firefox). and make sure the whole URL shows up... you may need to maximize your window since most have very long URL's. then yes, send to support@flyordie.com and state that it is an inappropriate ad, and why."

Thanks,

OP

read the link provided here plz

http://www.remove-errorsafe.org/

>"take a screen shot (as you would if someone was misbehaving in a chat room and no mods were present)... but make sure your curser is over the ad, so the URL of the ad shows at the bottom of your screen (at least that's how it is in IE... not sure about firefox). and make sure the whole URL shows up... you may need to maximize your window since most have very long URL's. then yes, send to support@flyordie.com and state that it is an inappropriate ad, and why."

y'know, that sounds awefully familiar!  somehow, i think that was copied from my response in another post :p  glad i can be of some help :)

on another note, there was an ad i saw in larkinor yesterday which, when i put the curser over it, didn't show the url at the bottom.  any suggestions on what to do in this case?

--jason

Spybot search and destroy managed to get rid of it for me :p

Although some registry data was left (which I managed to get rid of, but advanced warning, don't mess with the registry willy nilly :D)

Xoft is a rather hit and miss program with error safe (in my experience), an easier way to get rid of it is go through the registry and remove the entries for it 

http://www.spywareremove.com/removeErrorSafe.html

 *DO NOT REMOVE ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT THIS SITE TELLS YOU, YOU CAN SEVERELY DAMAGE YOUR PC* if you don't find any of the entries from the webpage then run TrendMicro's online scan 

http://housecall.trendmicro.com/

 <NOTE: this will only find the problems and may not get rid of them, I recommend running the scan twice that way it insures you removed everything.  If that doesn't work Chris said Spybot S&D gets rid of most of it which can be downloaded here: 

http://www.safer-networking.org/

>>Xoft is a rather hit and miss program with error safe (in my experience)



I admit you are correct fear. I only posted that link  for ppl as a example of what is out there to assist ppl in regards to this problem :)As u mention in your extended and very imformative reply.lol i  didnt have the time to spend typing all you  typed lol:p

We have removed one of our advertisers whom we suspect doing this (without our approval of course).

If anyone still get these unwanted things while playing please provide the following info to support@flyordie.com:
- your country
- when did it appear (upon opening the website, opening the game, while playing, when quitting, etc..)
- subscriber or not
- preferably attach a screenshot about its _first_ appearance, but make sure your curser is over the ad, so the URL of the ad shows at the bottom of your screen (at least that's how it is in IE...). and make sure the whole URL shows up... 

Thx,

OP

Hi Operator,
Thanks for acting quickly but I'm afraid it's too late to help me as I now have to book PC in for the removal of errorsafe:(, managed to remove the problem first time but now anything I try I just can not get rid of it. It's a cruel world out there in PC land, where the advertisers invade and virus's, trojans and the such like lurk, this time it is going to cost me a tidy sum of money to get this problem sorted out:(.

Cream I'm sure you can get rid of it all. Look at Fear's above post he gave some great advice ;)

What spyware scanners etc. do you have?

It managed to get onto my pc and I got rid of it all so it's entirely possible :)

Have you tried what fearnloathin suggested?

OP

As you can appreciate I don't want to announce my security soft ware on here but the problem I'm having is with the registry subkeys, as I don't understand this properly I don't really want to muck up my PC anymore, so thank you for your help but I think I will leave the sorting out to a professional.

A big thank you for taking care of the problem .One big thumbs up.-----This is a Riskybusiness

http://forum.flyordie.com/thread.jsp?forum=2&thread=34682&tstart=0&trange=15

Please take time to look at link, you will see that errorsafe is not always that easy to get rid of, it is quite nasty in fact that you can run a scan on your PC which will show maybe a threat but then when you run it again threat appears to have gone, you may think that you have got rid of errorsafe by using a multitude of diiferent security scanning programms,adware,spybot, etc but it hides itself, starting up everytime you start up your PC, it makes itself invisible to to your security, antivirus etc. 
Please don't attempt to delete subkeys without knowing what you are doing, it may lead to more harm being done to your PC, consult a proffessional.
Good luck
cream rose

You can't get ride of errorsafe like this vul.

My advice and it s the best, find forum which help with pc probs, follow their recommandtion with hijackthis then u will be safe temp like the ewe with the wolf.

Fearnloathin, for your invaluable contribution to this forum, indespensible advice to others in need, and for the fact your name has been mentioned by OP, I have officially promoted you to the ranking of meister jr.


Ty, may this great forum user be praised and revered by all B-)

Fearn Rulez B-)

Thank you Meister, I am honored by your statement.

meister jr. B-)

This is fantastic.  I now also seem to have errorsafe on my pc.  It popped up when the page loaded, and then again when I x'ed out the ad.  Running a virus scan now, since Norton popped up and said "oh yes, it got into your system even when you closed it."

What I am most concerned about is the lack of care from FoD.  Yes, it's oh so wonderful to see a forum post listing all the things WE as customers, should do to fix it.  What I want to know is what YOU, as the people we are paying, did to prevent this.

For the past several months the complaints about ads have been more frequent.  They are more adult rated, more irritating, and more intrusive.  All the responses, IF we are lucky enough to get one, is that we should take a screenshot and send it in.  I'm sorry, by the time we can take a screenshot, the damage has been done.  The kids have seen the woman wearing only a thong.  Oh wait, she's holding that with her shoe.  Or we have wonderful spyware that we can't seem to get rid of.  But hey, let's all take screenshots.  That'll help.

There is NO reason the consumers should be responsible for checking YOUR ads for appropriate content and safety.  That is YOUR job!

  If it takes you personally logging in on a nonsub account 300 times, or 3000, then that's what you need to do.  Not like it will take away from your time working towards updates....we don't get any.  


Seriously unhappy, though why I expect more, I don't know
TeT

Agree with everything you just said, this site can at times be somewhat amateur in the way it's run.

I don't know a lot about how a website is run, but do these adverts get checked before they are accepted? From things that have occured it seems the answer is no.

And why does it take days to fix any problem (that originally shouldn't have occured) after the issue was raised in the forum.

It's a disgrace that some people are having to fork out (cream rose is one of them   see above posts) from their own pockets to get this problem sorted out by a proffessional because they aren't so computer literate as others. Something that wasn't even their fault, let's hope lessons are learnt ;)

We can certainly hope FoD learns from this Chris, but to be truthful, you and I have both been here long enough to know that the real lesson is for us, not for FoD.

FoD does not care about thier consumers.  They care only for the money we pay to them.  They try to get the most money out of the advertisements they allow to use the site, hence the naked women and spyware.  Really, why do we have porn (Adult rated, for I'm sure the filter will block me :)) on a kid friendly site?  It all comes back to not caring.  Why do we not get regular updates?  They don't care.  Why can we only once in a great while even get a two line response from someone with one bit of authority to make decisions?!?!  Oh.  Right.  FoD doesn't care.  

THAT'S the lesson for today kids.



Still bitter.
TeT

Just had my pc sorted out earlier today (£102), updated everything, improved pc security to the highest possible level with new and latest progs, just come on here for a game, now have 'errorsafe' back on my PC, same ad was seen running at side of log in screen, not good enough FOD, it is with great regret that I say goodbye possibly for the last time on here, too much risk:(

I believe the ads are ran through admin, these ads pay the site to advertise their product.  Admin responsibility is to insure that these ads aren't harmful to consumers that visit the site, I don't know the exact number of people at any given business that would screen said ads but it should at least be a few personal belief is that FoD has perhaps two (if even) which can be a tireing job after awhile and eventually like anyone stuck in a cubicle starts clicking away (just a image don't know if admin for this site are stuck in a cubicle).

Point is that apparently they do not have enough help and therefore can't properly screen advertisements and thus we get adware/spyware/virus, kind of funny cause I brought this up a few months ago and was told it was impossible that the ads had virus's :p

On second thought let me help you FoD: 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fake_anti-spyware_programs

 

*IF YOU WILL NOTE ERRORSAFE IS LISTED*

There is also quite a few good references to rogue programs that double themselves as antispyware/malware programs: 

http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.htm

 (over 200 here) all on this site have a review of what they do.

Do your research before accepting advertisements. ;)

LMAO fear very nice research, FOD advertising spyware, whatever next, an update? ;)

So, anyone who gets this ad cares to answer the post on the previous page?
We have already contacted our ad agencies who could do this but naturally each of them denied.
Withouth your help we cannot find the ones abusing the system.

Thx,

OP

Good morning OP,
I don't know what is happening to everyone else's pc but when errorsafe comes up and then starts to download even when you have tried to deny access or try to close, nothing else seems to work to be able to get ss for you. 
Hope someone can get ss soon as all the software that I have on my pc doesn't seem to stop errorsafe. 
By the way it's nice to see you in here trying to sort this out.
cream rose

Also with respect, I think the last thing on someone's mind is to take a screenshot when a form of spyware is being downloaded onto their pc...

It is not being downloaded to your pc without any interactions.

"When the user chooses any of the options or tries to close this dialog (by clicking 'Ok' or 'Cancel' or by clicking the corner 'X'), it will trigger a pop-up window and WinFixer will download and install itself, regardless of the user’s wishes. Because this is a dialog box related to the Internet Explorer application, it does not appear in the Windows Task Manager list (Ctrl+Alt+Del). However, the user may be able to avoid installing the program either by using the Alt+f4 command or by disconnecting from the internet before closing the dialogue box."

So you have options not to download it even if the dialog box appears. It is a good time to take a screenshot before you press alt-f4 or disconnect yourself.

OP

Hi OP,
Thanks for the advice:), much appreciated, I will try that if it happens again:)
cream rose

"We have already contacted our ad agencies who could do this but naturally each of them denied."


So you made a few phone calls.  I'm impressed.  (sarcasm, in case you didn't notice.)  Why were these ads not checked in the first place?  And now that you have this problem, because as I said earlier, it IS your problem, why are you not on a non-sub account logging in and out until you get this pop-up?  Last I checked, none of us were employees of FoD.  

As for taking an SS, I was on Firefox and could not find anywhere that displayed the URL of the ad.  

And the advice to disconnect or hit alt+f4 came a bit too late.  NOt all of us are as computer literate as others, and this advice should have been given earlier....though in reality if the ads had been checked as they should have been, we wouldn't have needed it.


Still mad, 
TeT

Hey OP, again let me help you.  Errorsafe Inc. seems to be the only company that advertises errorsafe (just add the Inc.).  Now I understand it has to be difficult to accept ads and go through an ads previous experience, but I do suggest checking the advertising agency with my above links before you do accept the ad.  I do this as a hobby (find virus's/adware/spyware) and find out how to effectively remove said malware infection, so when I said 3 or so months ago that you guys had a problem I wasn't poking my finger at you I was in fact telling the truth, however I believe that infection was removed not to soon after my complaint so kudos there.

We obviously do not have any relationship with errorsafe inc.
We work with dozens of ad agencies, one of the must be doing this. Why we do not check it ourselves? These agencies display different ads based on the visitors location, so if you are located in another area, you might not get such ad at all, no matter how long you keep on trying. 
So even if you cannot make a screenshot, and get such an ad, the following info could help:
- your country
- when did it appear (upon opening the website, opening the game, while the game was loading, while playing, when quitting, etc..)
- date and appr. time

Thx,

OP 

Hi OP,
Okay here are the dates and times:

date; 25/03/07 @ 09.13.09

date; 27/03/07 @ 15.50.43

date; 30/03/07 @ 18.06.51

Each time I have just opened the log on page to 8 ball room 1, always same ad down left side of pane when errorsafe kicks.
Hope this helps.

cream rose

Sorry OP was meant to say these were the exact times taken from anti virus report.
cream rose

oops, also in England UK

Sorry my above post was misinformed, the actual company is Winsoftware Ltd. based in Liverpool, England.  However the address is false but the location should be what you will look at, and I apologize if I came off rude as my intention was just to inform you OP.  

Location: Michigan, US

Ad happened both when the game loaded and again when I closed the page.

Date and time:  3/30, whenever Larki mysteriously wouldn't allow subbed accounts to log in.

Well i thought it was fixed but no such luck it still knocks your browser out and this time it asks if you would like to install system doctor.I must say its a real pain.if you want to make it happen just delete your cache does it every time after you do that.This is a Riskybusiness

You mods ever gonna get rid of this ErrorSafe pish? ;\

Or should I say Admin, or Operator, or... well, whatever!

Ok folks enuff with this error safe ive been working with it for 2 weeks hoping that you all would do away with this JUNK but it seems i am going to have to have UNWANTED programs on my and let me say that word again MY pc to play your games that i have subscribed to i dont recall ever asking error safe for a thing now i have to bee booted off regularly and freeze up where i didnot have this problem till i went into my non sub account i enjoy the games but not stuff i do not want put in my pc that takes a genious to remove or should i carry it some where and have it fixed and send you guys the bill and know i am not the only one with this problem this is a way to get people to leave and not support your site very quickly 

              thank you 
              flossy

http://housecall.trendmicro.com/

 has been said to get rid of errorsafe effectively, though there may be some registry entries still on your PC: 

http://www.spywareremove.com/removeErrorSafe.html

Thankyou for the fast action i have been lookinf for the post i was told it was in here somewhere i will try and see what happens 

             THANKS
           Flossy

           

ok now its trying to get me too its 4:52 april 7 2007 .  in colorado .  hope i stopped it . my anti virus tryed to stop it,  but then it came back saying it was going to auto load so i shut my pc down .  wish me luck 

After a bit of research I am back with some findings: 1. If you do not accept ads for either ErrorSafe Inc or Winsoftware Ltd. then you can skip the second step. 2. Identify that you accept ads from either of the above two companies and end the ad contract then thoroughly scan your server for adware/spyware/virus. *If you didn't accept ads the next bit is for you* 1a. Do a thorough scan of your server(s) for any known malware, chances are if you don't accept ads from the above two companies your server is infected and thus everyone that goes through the server gets infected.  I am just trying to help out here so don't lash out at me, I do this in my free time and also somewhat professionally I am not here to criticize I'm here to help. ;)

^^Above is for FoD server admins/OP, anyone else infected that is having issues look at the link I provided for TrendMicro.

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Haven't heard anything from OP about this in a week...

What's going on?  Are the players that low of a priority?  We should be recieving updates.  We need to know not only what's going on, but also that this won't take as long to fix as it does to get an update around here....

TeT

NOW I GOT IT TOO.

WHAT IS WRONG ,,WHERE HAS FOD REPUTATION GONE.

WILL SOMEONE GET A GRIP HERE ???

:(

Perhaps my screens are fuzzy, at least they look like it on my screen so I will type what I found: did a ping to errorsafe's website IP address is 66.244.254.64 and a trace route which came up with the website setupahost.net which matches the above IP address.  In theory you should be lookint at whether you accept ads from setupahost.net which is in Canada.

Dear All,

It seems we have caught it finally, the relevant ad has been removed. 
If someone still gets such an ad in the future please let us know.

We are sorry for the inconvenience, and a big thanks for all who tried to help.

OP

Thank You ,

For keeping us updated.

;)

So what people now need to know is what is being done to make sure this type of fiasco doesn't happen again? :) Seeing as many people have lost a huge amount of trust in this site...

Chris he's done enough letting us know that the problem has been taken care of. Give the guy a break! ;)

As for your question - fairly obviously, they'll be doing an awful lot to make sure they don't get bugged again!

I wish I had the same faith as you do :p

I was told the people responsable for the virus outbreak were all shot at dawn , yesterday. They were then taken out to sea and thrown to the sharks.

;)

shoulda fed em to ralphthedog and harrydog:p

"As for your question - fairly obviously, they'll be doing an awful lot to make sure they don't get bugged again!"

I don't know, I've been here two years and I've yet to see FoD work even kinda hard at anything. ;)

i have a total of two accounts on FoD that i use 

j.l74 (subbed)
That_Polish_Guy (non-subbed)

im am just a regular larkinor player...but i had purchased a new computer two days ago and had tried to log onto the site with That_Polish_Guy account, after i had X'ed out of the game, i had a pop up saying that illegal objects were on my computer,and saying i needed a scan...
keep in mind, its brand new  =S  
i had X'ed out of the search and ran an antivirus as i usually do, and pop ups of tracking cookies, and spyware were installed on my comp...
i know how to go in, and remove these manually, but i am angered that FoD cannot control the pop ups... 

-TPG

Your antivirus probably classed cookies as spyware.
If you do not like cookies on your pc, you can block them in your browser.
As it is stated at

http://www.flyordie.com/privacy.html

we do use cookies, as do our advertisers, but they have nothing to do with spyware.

Thanks,

OP

Cookies ARE spyware, and some less legite one's are mild adware.  They load themselves on a PC without admin authorizing the transfer.

>Cookies ... load themselves on a PC without admin authorizing the transfer

technically you do give permission to let cookies be installed on your computer if you don't have your privacy settings strong enough ;)

--jason

umm honestly thats incorrect statement, cookies can be loaded on your comp and if you privacy settings are high enough they wont be put on there, but larkinor is an HTML based game, meaning that evertime (almost unless its a repeated click) a cookie will automatically save onto your computer, when i had X'ed out, a cookie from that particular address had saved and had a form of spyware on it, i am only stating that when you X out of a game you get hit by unwanted pop ups even with an pop up blocker


-TPG

i am in no way shape or form saying that your website is an attractant for viruses ect....

Never said your privacy settings were high/low, just saying that cookies are spyware-they load themselves on to the machine without admin approval, of course if your settings are high enough they won't get loaded on...but that wasn't the point of the statement. ;)