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jvmar0754

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players using program Posted: Apr 4, 2021 5:29 PM
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Recently I noticed that in the chess rooms there are a lot of players using programs. This is not fair and you should provide a defense against these players who cheat.


FOD-GOD

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Re: players using program Posted: Apr 6, 2021 11:02 AM
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They do provide a defence. They mark use players with a sign which says "players might use a program".

《.¢ℓαяк кєหŦ.》

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Re: players using program Posted: Apr 6, 2021 11:37 AM
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hi
prog is allowed

F†W Undisputed

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Re: players using program Posted: Apr 7, 2021 3:21 AM
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In my mind programs are a form of cheating. Anyone who disagrees is incredibly deluded and probably uses one.
Programs are precisely why I do NOT play the board games here.

MД§TΞ®MIΠĐ

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Re: players using program Posted: Apr 9, 2021 9:22 AM
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Surely it would be easy enough to implement the same kind of system, chess.com & lichess use for analyzing the games for accuracy. It's pretty obvious who the program users are then when they always have 90% + accuracy. Nobody can play to anywhere near that level.

F†W Undisputed

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Re: players using program Posted: Apr 9, 2021 10:00 PM
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It's highly infuriating losing to someone just because they're using a third party software to tell them how to play. Like..it literally tells the player where to place his pieces. That to me is not a game, it's just time wasting. Like why would anyone want to play a game where they only win based on the fact a program thinks for them? Think about how sad that actually is..

The fact there's no prevention system for it, or so it would seem there isn't is just saddening. This isn't a new or recent problem, it's been a problem since before I played here back in 2007.

Thumb_du_Segala

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Re: players using program Posted: Jun 15, 2021 12:54 PM
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Just played a game of go against user "gila12" who obviously used a bot :
I nearly always analyze my games afterwards with Katago, a very strong go IA, and "gila12" played all the best moves.

No, this can't be random (you'd know if you played go )
Where do I squeal on him?

ThUnDeR

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Re: players using program Posted: Jul 13, 2021 9:26 AM
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>Where do I squeal on him?

Squeal on him for what? Using a program is allowed. Also, his player information page already says that "program usage has been detected".

ThUnDeR

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Re: players using program Posted: Jul 13, 2021 1:54 PM
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UPDATED SITE RULES ON ENGINES/PROGRAMS

FlyOrDie members have the right to know if they are playing against a computer. Therefore you must declare in your player settings if you are using assistance while playing. Using any kind of assistance without declaration is considered extremely unsportsmanlike with appropriate sanctions. You can have one human account and one program account, and you must use both accordingly. Use of such assistance is only allowed in board games.

Thumb_du_Segala

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Re: players using program Posted: Jul 13, 2021 6:16 PM
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Thunder -

Thanks for replying.
I don't find any mention of program usage on gila12's page, or at least the one I found:
https://games.flyordie.com/s/player/gila12?s=dd&d=%2Fs%2Fplayer %2Fgila12%2FGo%3Fl%3Dfr&l=fr
neither on:
https://games.flyordie.com/s/player/gila12/Go?s=dd&d=%2Fs%2Fpla yer%2Fgila12%2FGo%3Fl%3Dfr&l=fr

Could you please tell me how I can find this info? I really want to minimize the risk of playing against a bot, it's definitely not what I play on FlyOrDie for.

Thanks in advance!

ThUnDeR

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Re: players using program Posted: Jul 15, 2021 9:32 AM
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>https://games.flyordie.com/s/player/gila12/Go?s=dd&d=%2Fs%2Fpla yer%2Fgila12%2FGo%3Fl%3Dfr&l=fr

On this link here. Next to his rating of 400, you see the computer with an exclamation mark, hover mouse over it

Thumb_du_Segala

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Re: players using program Posted: Jul 15, 2021 12:07 PM
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Thunder -

Well duh do I feel dumb

Thanks!

Thumb_du_Segala

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Re: players using program Posted: Apr 28, 2022 7:13 PM
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One more not-declared bot user today in the Go room: user PeaceGo.
Thank you for flagging him (I guess monitoring his games for a while is necessary, it seems he/she just started doing it).

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