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grüezi™

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A quick reminder regarding the rules Posted: Oct 20, 2021 10:47 AM
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Just a quick reminder: here is a part quoted from the official FOD-Rules:
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Only one account

Members may only have ONE FlyOrDie.com account, unless explicitly allowed to have more. Members who create more than one account may have all accounts closed.

No cheating

Any form of unsportsmanlike behavior will not be tolerated, FlyOrDie reserves the right to reset points to zero and/or ban your nickname for this offense. It includes artificially adjusting your rating, encouraging your opponent to leave the match, intentionally losing, accepting your opponent's behavior who is intentionally losing, using other's account, using more than one nicknames, hiding program use.
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End of quote.

So what is the reason for those rules not being applied and followed in the community? Lazyness of the responsible people to take action or simply allowing paying members to do what they want?

Just think about it - for all of us who stick by the rules.

Cheers


Billiardatron

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Re: A quick reminder regarding the rules Posted: Oct 21, 2021 2:22 AM
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90% of the top-tier snooker players use aim assistance! How long are we going to keep pretending that such a thing does not exist when it's obvious:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz_jcjIuD_k&ab_channel=AuthoRit ah

Who plays like that? Switching repeatedly between aim, fine aim, shoot, and spin multiple times quickly, making small adjustments in the process, before taking the shot, and somehow potting with 99% success? Any normal player, would line up the shot first, add the desired spin, and maybe readjust after the spin is applied... no normal human (unless one using aim assistance), will aim the shot, apply spin, then readjust the aim, then go back to readjust the spin and go back and readjust something else... all while also switching between the other options for no obvious reasons, and doing it lightning fast, without taking a good look at the object ball in relation to the pocket, and it's position on the table.

FOD is an f'n joke at this point!

..hardball..

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AW: A quick reminder regarding the rules Posted: Oct 21, 2021 12:41 PM
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ye this one pretty obvious

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LVSVJhXeuU

Mr Vanian

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Re: A quick reminder regarding the rules Posted: Oct 21, 2021 1:19 PM
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Hi, that's me in the video. I don't use any aim assistance I use my keyboard to control alot of things ie spin, fine aim that's why you see alot of stuff going on and as for the speed I'm just super fast

Marshmełło

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Re: A quick reminder regarding the rules Posted: Oct 21, 2021 9:49 PM
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My eyes are blooding reading it ! OMG. So now we cant fix our shots before each shot and we cant pot hard balls easily or then play fast ? Lol Still THERE ARE good players who make u think thats some program but it is just a talent!

Billiardatron

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Re: A quick reminder regarding the rules Posted: Oct 22, 2021 3:34 AM
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@Marshmello, listen, if you don't understand what i criticize in the video, please, don't spill your nonsense here, would you?

I didn't say you're not allowed to aim your shots, or to play fast... as long as you play natural. The video above doesn't show natural play. There's a clear aim assistance there that is not caught by the video recording program.

If you're a good player, you would not make so much small adjustments like you're suffering from neurosis or something... if you're good, you will know exactly how to play the shots. A real player will apply his aim, add spin and maybe, but not always, make a small readjustment to the aim after the spin is added. Doing multiple readjustments of the spin and the aim (repeatedly) before every shot, and doing it so fast, suggests unnatural play, maybe with an aim assistance, for the following reasons:

The player aims the shot, the aim assist line points to the pocket. He adds spin, the line changes and goes out of the pocket, he readjusts the aim again, but now he's not happy with the cue ball trajectory, so he readjusts spin again for positioning and then once again, has to readjust the aim, so he doesn't miss the pot.

^A normal player can do this things too, because sometimes he might change his mind about how he wants to play a ball in the middle of applying aim and spin, but when a player does these non-stop repeated readjustments, and on top of that, does them fast and somehow pots 99% of his balls, even the trickiest ones... well, then there's clearly something wrong there.

And you might say - Well, how do these players miss shots then? Why don't they do century breaks in every game?

They have to be really stupid to expose themselves like that, are they? Of course they're not going to make it obvious. Also, you know very well that aiming assistance (at least the one in practice) is not always 100% accurate - it also depends on the power of the shot, the difficulty of the shot, and the amount of spin applied... so shots are missable even with aim assistance, but still that doesn't change the fact that 99% of them will go in.

The sign of such cheating are especially obvious in snooker on the large table, where even the smallest inaccuracy in the aiming and the spin can result in a missed shot. Yet there are players, who doesn't even take the time to look at the ball's position relative to the pocket, then do all that unnatural aiming and fixing mentioned above, and yet, almost never miss a shot. What are they? What do we have here, a bunch of O'Sullivans and Trumps? I don't think so!

And please don't bring the word "talent" in an online computer game... If you're an actual talent, you'd be competing professionally, in the real sport, you wouldn't be hanging out here in flyordie, trying to defend cheaters.

Player_No1

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AW: A quick reminder regarding the rules Posted: Oct 22, 2021 8:45 AM
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Hi guys!

Since there are some rumors and false statements going around here, I would like to clarify a few things.

Some of the players here have been playing for several years ... (10 sometimes 20 years). As with any game, over time you get more experienced and you get faster at what you do. None of this is evidence of any kind of manipulation.

The statement made here that 90% of all good snooker players manipulate is definitely wrong.

We constantly monitor the game behavior and permanently exclude any behavior against the rules.

People from the video link may already have been excluded.

Have fun, everyone!

Player_No1
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real champ

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Re: A quick reminder regarding the rules Posted: Oct 22, 2021 9:48 AM
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Billiardtron...make sure your facts are correct before you go making an accusation like this...many players have been here nearly 20 years , they are going to be good!

Mr Vanian is clearly not using an aim assistance here...

Billiardatron

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Re: A quick reminder regarding the rules Posted: Oct 22, 2021 2:10 PM
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Player_No1, oh yeah? And how many programmers have you personally banned from the games in your time as a moderator... without counting that obvious one up there with a nickname "Program", who completely exposes himself? Like real cheaters who play smart and hide themselves well.

First of all, you can't really monitor anything properly, because everyone knows you're a moderator, and your nickname is visible when you spectate a game. So everyone who's cheating and doesn't want to get caught can very easily adjust his game style, when they see you, or other moderators in the room watching.

Second of all, just spectating a game is not enough to really notice the foul play of a cheater, if they know how to hide themselves well. You need a first person point of view, like the video i posted to see the oddities, and you need to observe the player for many games, not a few to reach a conclusion.

I already explained why the gameplay i shared looks unnatural, i gave you my reasons... Can you give me a logical explanation to why my statement is wrong? Something better than "well, there are players who play here for 20 years".

I know there are old players here, but that's not the point. I've seen how a good player plays... A good player simply doesn't act and plays like the video above. A good player doesn't make 10 readjustments every single shot, even on the easy ones, like he's seeing something (lines) that we don't see in the video. A good player evaluates his position on the table, and knows how he wants to play the shot without the need of multiple tweaks.

And then let's add this to the topic... this website has been accused of bias for years, there are corrupt moderators here, who punish players who did nothing wrong out of sheer spite, while protecting others and their buddies who are breaking the rules constantly. I'm not making this stuff up, look what's been written about FoD in other forums and sites. Some of this stuff i've been personally a witness of. Other things, i can't say if they're true or false, but i certainly have my suspicions.

One thing i can tell for sure is, that there's not enough proper, unbiased moderation in the game rooms. How come the game is nearly dead (snooker and 8-ball are nearly, the other pool games are already dead and buried) barely able to fill one room, yet every single day we see newly registered players who reach 800 rating withing 1-2 days? Do the moderators take action about it? No! You just sit there and watch the rules being broken if front your eyes and do nothing. Are you going to tell me that all these new players (cheaters) have a personal permission from the moderation team to register new and multiple nicknames, whenever they feel like it?

So for you to tell the people, that the mods are doing a great job in monitoring the game, and expect people to take your word for it, and discount me and other people who complain about the state of FoD... it's just ain't gonna happen. You gotta do better than that.


Marshmełło

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Re: A quick reminder regarding the rules Posted: Oct 22, 2021 3:27 PM
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@bilharatron im laughing here man lol lol lol.. So are u 100% sure Scotty is using aim cheat ? Hahahahaa

grüezi™

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Re: A quick reminder regarding the rules Posted: Oct 22, 2021 8:00 PM
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Thank you all for your replies. But woth this topic I did not intend to create that kind of discussion, it is more a general question to why FOD does not take action when players do infringe the rules.

As you, Player No.1, did already reply once here, I would like to pose the question directly to you as you can speak on behalf of FOD: if it says that only one account per person is allowed, why nothing happens to those who have more than one? If this rule is not a rule, then you should take it away from the official FOD-Rules at this point… And could you specify what that exception is, that some players might receive allowence to have more than one account? What are the conditions that someone can benefit from receiving that special treatment?

In my opinion this rule should be followed a lot stricter, since a big amount of multiple account-holders makes people loose their individuality. And honestly I loose track of who is who. When i come back after a longer break of gaming i see lots of new accounts, which I am sure are players that I should know - but honestly I am too lazy to update myself on who is who or trying to speculate.

An other point is, that it falsifies the statistics, since a single player can gather more points in total with all his multiple accounts and play another high rated player with all his accounts. This causes an increase of the average points per player and a higher number of total rating points being distributed among all players. This is one of the two reasons why we are having so many people (I shall say accounts) rated 600/700+ (the other reason is of course the new rating deduction system).

Having multiple nicks leads people as well to be tempted to exchange points between other players with multiple accounts. I let you win in 8 ball with my „second“account but you let me win in snooker with my „main“ account, for example. And if you play the matches regularly, no one will figure out that the win was „given“.

An other advantage of having more than one account is that many players use one to get crowns and another to play in tournaments where they win their subscriptions and by doing so, they do not risk to lose points for losing in a bo1 match.

I think you all get my points. So I suggest (since FOD isn’t ftaking action) that everyone should choose their main account and close the others, to make FOD more equal and as well more personal

Thank you for your time.

Cheers

TheHeisenberg™

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Re: A quick reminder regarding the rules Posted: Oct 23, 2021 4:58 PM
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Hey,
You told about playing in tournaments and using second account to that. In my opinion it's nothing wrong with it, because if you enter the tourney with your highest rating, and there is many people with ratings around 100/200, who plays like 700+, then it's not possible to keep your rating (with BO1 on tourneys).
For EXAMPLE: you can win the tourney with 12 wins and 3 looses, for every win you get like 1 or 2 points, because people there can be red/yellow ratings, but for loose with such rating, you get -32. Reffering to that, it also could be not fair to get the first place on the tourney and same time loose around 50 rating points. With that I am not even surprised that people don't want to play tourneys with account, which has crown rating on any game.
Greetings

Anthony..

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Re: A quick reminder regarding the rules Posted: Oct 23, 2021 5:29 PM
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« Just a quick reminder: here is a part quoted from the official FOD-Rules:
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Only one account »

Sorry I laugh.
We are in 2021, moderators using 3-4-.... accounts too.

You are just focus on your points rating everyday that’s why you stay on your account for play low rating.


grüezi™

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Re: A quick reminder regarding the rules Posted: Oct 23, 2021 11:51 PM
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I am not interested in what you think ant. You talk a lot, without saying anything. „We are in 2021…. Bla bla“ - what is this even supposed to mean referring to written rules that are infringed…? That in 2021 rules doesn‘t matter..or what? Such a nonsense, everytime you type something on your keyboard. A child‘s mentality. And you add a direct offense to me again. For no reason.
I play 3-5 games a week maybe, because I am busy and I do not enjoy a lot the vibe that is going around in FOD lately (and people like you are the raeson). So i will explain one last time (as you seem to be so interested in me) since my sight is bad and i prefere to win than to lose, I choose playing with people I think I might have better chances to win. Nothing is wrong with that. Not like you, there is a lot wrong with you. But this topic is not about anyone, it is for the general greater good.

If all had only one account, it would be equal again. So if you want to get a free sub, then you need to take the risk of participating and possibly lose points - as a prize on the other side you win something that is worth real money. But people want everything, the high rating and the tourneys. All the players you mentioned have multiple nicks and since they ate very good, they get high ratings with all of them in no time. Still everyone of them has their „main“ or „favorite“account and their „second“ and so on.

I am really interested in hearing a statement by a FOD-responsible regarding this topic (rules infringed with no punishment and all other posed questions above).

I know it is easier to go with the swarm, and changing something requires courage - but the only way of doing something right, is doing it the right way. The just way. The equal way.

Cheers I am not interested in what you think ant. You talk a lot, without saying anything. „We are in 2021…. Bla bla“ - what is this even supposed to mean referring to written rules that are infringed…? That in 2021 rules doesn‘t matter..or what? Such a nonsense, everytime you type something on your keyboard. A child‘s mentality. And you add a direct offense to me again. For no reason.
I play 3-5 games a week maybe, because I am busy and I do not enjoy a lot the vibe that is going around in FOD lately (and people like you are the raeson). So i will explain one last time (as you seem to be so interested in me) since my sight is bad and i prefere to win than to lose, I choose playing with people I think I might have better chances to win. Nothing is wrong with that. Not like you, there is a lot wrong with you. But this topic is not about anyone, it is for the general greater good.

If all had only one account, it would be equal again. So if you want to get a free sub, then you need to take the risk of participating and possibly lose points - as a prize on the other side you win something that is worth real money. But people want everything, the high rating and the tourneys. All the players you mentioned have multiple nicks and since they ate very good, they get high ratings with all of them in no time. Still everyone of them has their „main“ or „favorite“account and their „second“ and so on.

I am really interested in hearing a statement by a FOD-responsible regarding this topic (rules infringed with no punishment and all other posed questions above).

I know it is easier to go with the swarm, and changing something requires courage - but the only way of doing something right, is doing it the right way. The just way. The equal way.

Cheers

grüezi™

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Re: A quick reminder regarding the rules Posted: Oct 24, 2021 11:17 AM
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Sorry for the double post.

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