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I have recorded 500 games and I have mathematical prove
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Mano007

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I have recorded 500 games and I have mathematical prove Posted: Jul 20, 2015 11:12 PM
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that the dice are not random!!!
I discover this in Tavla Plus I discover this in Backgammon live and now flyordie apparently is cheating you !!!!


mlh55

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Re: I have recorded 500 games and I have mathematical prove Posted: Aug 18, 2015 12:08 AM
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I have also recorded many thousands of rolls and have proved to myself that the game is rigged. For example the number of doubles (6/6 5/5 etc) is statistically impossible if the dice were random.

BUT the owners simply deny this. IF they really thought that the programme was fair they'd start a process of openly recording all throws so that users could see the truth. But they won't because this would expose a truth they'd prefer to be kept quiet.

Roadster Man

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Re: I have recorded 500 games and I have mathematical prove Posted: Aug 22, 2015 3:26 AM
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I second this problem! Seriously this site is Screwed up!
I'm so pissed it's not even funny! How can I or anyone else roll so many consecutive doubles?! How can I not roll the missing single value I need for 10 plus rolls?

I'm not a bad player. But if the server decides its my time to go down, I'm going! Its takes me OUT! All by its freaking self.

Hochvogel

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Registered: Aug, 2013

Re: I have recorded 500 games and I have mathematical prove Posted: Sep 2, 2015 9:55 AM
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You are completly right
The Server of this board cheats

MarkWallisburgh

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Re: I have recorded 500 games and I have mathematical prove Posted: Sep 2, 2015 12:13 PM
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Why would the people who run the site rig any game? To drive people away from the site?

Battle Royale

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Re: I have recorded 500 games and I have mathematical prove Posted: Oct 1, 2015 5:00 PM
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Though i do doubt you did, I really hope you didn't record 500 games.

Absolute waste of time.I've complained about the dice before, mainly because i had lost 10 games in a row and was frustrated.

My advice is either get a friend and play it for real, or just keep playing until you go on a streak when you seem to just keep winning.

Camaro Iroc-z

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Re: I have recorded 500 games and I have mathematical prove Posted: Nov 6, 2015 5:27 PM
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Yes, I have played this site off and on and I do second the dice are not random. I have come up with a very basic configuration.

It appears when I play lower rated players than me, I lose more frequent. Furthermore when a player is new to the site the dice can be more forgiving for them. (~) I have also come to the realization that the dice try to even out the game by giving doubles to the opponent and giving you an oppurtunity to take the opponent that next roll. However it is a trap, as the server will just roll them a roll for the opponent to take you. Furthermore, in video game making, nothing can be random. It is actually impossible. There is nothing that can be done to these dice other than a programming look over for the dice which should have been done in 2006. Yes I have been off and on this site since about 2005. This backgammon has driven me away from this site as well as problems in the 4 in a row lobby. It seems as though you lose more points when you don't play consecutively within 24 hours. Thats stupid if you ask me however I can see the marketing tool. Thanks to this site for going downhill. You can see it has gone downhill with the amount of players in the 4 in a row lobby. Back in 2006 there used to be 120 players on an average day and now you'll be lucky to see 50. No complaining here, just facts that need stated.

In regards to the reply stating why would the server give bad luck you as it would just drive you away. Well, the server is doing just that and why would we be saying something as a whole if it wasn't? Why would we make that up? We're mad because we lost one game, ok, cool, but an average of 500 rolls. Nobody knows and the dice need a better look over.

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daddy1

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Re: I have recorded 500 games and I have mathematical prove Posted: Nov 22, 2015 3:40 PM
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Its a great app but it amusing when your opponent roles double 5s 4 times topena game or 6s, 5s and 3s to end it. This happens all the time. You just need to forget about the outcome and enjoy the play as there is nothing random about the dice.

Ichabod3621

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Re: I have recorded 500 games and I have mathematical prove Posted: Dec 12, 2015 3:44 AM
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100% correct the dice are not random. I am trying to figure out the fixed system, though. One thing for sure: the opening rolls are overwhelmingly 3-1, 4-2, and 6-1. Totally corrupt to ensure frequent play.

Main objective here is to sell advertising and maximize players, not offer a FAIR and REAL game of bg.

FlyOrDie

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Re: I have recorded 500 games and I have mathematical prove Posted: Dec 14, 2015 12:34 PM
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Please help us:
How can 3-1, 4-2, and 6-1 starting rolls help to sell advertising and maximize players?

cisqa

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Registered: Nov, 2014

Re: I have recorded 500 games and I have mathematical prove Posted: Dec 15, 2015 7:35 AM
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Please help us... We've paid money to play a game. We were tricked into thinking that the dice rolls would be random and we believe they are NOT.

Please help us and program the dice randomly, and/or state clearly that they ARE random.

FlyOrDie

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Re: I have recorded 500 games and I have mathematical prove Posted: Dec 21, 2015 9:48 AM
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It has been stated numerous times that the dice ARE random.

It has been also asked numerous times that if you feel that they are not, please try to collect some evidence that they are not.
Hopefully you will be convinced this way by yourself, if you investigate it thoroughly, that all of the fabrications expressed in this forum (and elsewhere) were purely due to the fact that human nature tends to remember bad luck better than good luck, and due to the fact that some players misinterpret the term "random".

Until now we have only received pure fabrications, not a single evidence of anything that could imply that the dice are not random.
You can check:
http://forum.flyordie.com/thread.jsp?forum=48&thread=58657 and think about what would it take to program the dice to fulfill all these conspiracies.

If you are still not convinced, please try to find a reason why would it be the interest of any backgammon game developer to program the dice in any way that is not random. For example what would be the point in programming the dice so that "the opening rolls are overwhelmingly 3-1, 4-2, and 6-1" (like some players suspect in this forum)?

Thank you for your understanding

Kwill

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Registered: Jan, 2018

Re: I have recorded 500 games and I have mathematical prove Posted: Mar 26, 2018 8:43 AM
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I have just posted this on another thread, but what I want to know is why are they so biased sometimes, who benefits from this?
____________________

After a game yesterday, I am now convinced the dice take sides.
The scenario, I have 3,4,5,6 and bar point covered with 2 stones on each 3 stones on 13, my back stones were split 24,23.
My opponent only had his 4 and 6 point made, 2 on 24, 3 or 4 on his 8 point and the rest ready as builders.
How can I remember this? Well, after his next throw of a 6 and 4. I never made another move, just sat and watched.
Filling his inner table was good fortune, but then throwing 2 lots of 1.6 to bring his back stones into play was pushing the bounds of probability
Then the "coup de grace" a double five allowing 2 stones to be taken off and 2 moved 6*1.
Time to resign.



hnhreno

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Re: I have recorded 500 games and I have mathematical prove Posted: Mar 26, 2018 5:16 PM
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Since the rules of the game have not been properly programmed (e.g. the rules for when a Gammon is awarded or not; or the ratings system), I think it is safe to assume that ForD has no interest in whether or not players like this site. They attract players by the looks (the graphics) of the game but aren't interested in keeping them. The random generator is not at all completely random; there are flaws in it that influence outcomes, and thus make players frustrated. Other sites do not seem to have near as many problems as this one. I see a fairly high turnover of players signing on and leaving this site. If ForD truly wanted to attract and keep players it would do a better job of programming. It could be much better than it is.

vudumanu

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Registered: Mar, 2017

Re: I have recorded 500 games and I have mathematical prove Posted: Mar 29, 2018 2:25 PM
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This is fixed dice and it allows low level players to win games feeling lucky, but it would have beeing more interesting if the system was able to see compex mooves and favor the good play.

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